Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?

This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.

Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships are impacted by trauma from the past, why we become triggered in the present, and what it takes to establish trust, safety, and understanding.

These are essential lessons for anyone who wants to shift from conflict to connection, both in your personal life and in the way that you impact the world around you.

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✨ Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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